Evaluation of the D’Souza and Singer Debate at Biola

Posted on May 5, 2008 by Ray Ciervo.
Categories: Debates, Worldviews, Religion, Apologetics, Theology.

To the Source sponsored yet another debate between Dinesh D’Souza and a leading atheist. Dinesh has debated Sam Harris, Christopher Hitchens, and Daniel Dennett. I believe he would debate Richard Dawkins if he could. I hope someone of more stautre would. Some have called them the “Four Horsemen of Atheism.” This time Dinesh faced Dr. Peter Singer from Princeton University. The debate was held at Biola University.

I have to admit, I was not overly impressed with Dinesh’s debating skills when he faced  Harris or Hitchens. Dennett wasn’t much of a debater either, so that exchange went to Dinesh easily. I’ve thought Dinesh was more a “social theorist” or “political commentator” than an apologist. Certainly, he isn’t a philosopher and this last debate proved that.

The format for the debate was to open with each side having a fifteen minute statement followed by a five minute rebuttal. Then a new twist in debate was added with a “cross-examination” as it was termed. Each side was to ask the other whatever he pleased. the debate concluded with questions from the audience.

Dinesh’s first mistake was to come out attacking Singer’s world, instead of showing evidence for the existence of God. Singer quickly picked up on this and began to show evidence why he believed God cannot exist. His main point was the cruelty in the world, better known as the problem of evil. Unfortunately, Dinesh didn’t know how to present the theistic presentation for this argument either. Another strike against Dinesh.

Singer appeared confident, not arrogant, which is not a good sign for your opponent. Even on a Christian campus, Singer exuded  a self-confidence that should beg you to ask some questions. In the end, Singer’s questions to Dinesh either went unanswered or t he answers were incomprehensible. A few times I found myself asking, “What is he talking about?” referring to D’Souza’s replies.

On the other hand, Singer’s answers were cogent and clear. His logic was impeccable. Make no mistake this man is brilliant and hasn’t risen to the head of his field because he’s stupid. Dinesh on the on the other hand came out “reporting” how he’d been debating “these atheists all week.” It appeared he may have been feeling his oats after one of his less taxing debates. Personally, I thought it was an arrogant statement. He may have felt he was on a Christian campus and would play to the crowd. Singer had Dinesh sized up and then began to unravel his argument.

Having studied in the world of debates and apologetics I’ve watched a couple of dozen debates. There are much better choices to debate Singer than Dinesh D’ Souza. Bill Craig comes to mind immediately. He’d give Singer much more to ponder. Dinesh wrote some good books and is known from his White House days during the Reagan administration. Christian apologist, I don’t think so. His fumbling through questions and ill-advised attacks on Singer do not win anyone, even the listeners. Personally, I think this does more harm than good for the cause of Christ.

Singer’s last comments we that he felt this kind of debate is what is supposed to happen on university campuses - that is the exchange of ideas. This is true. We would all benefit from the kind of debates that explained views and helped us understand our opponents position.

If you wish to watch the debate you can see them here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Phgb67NAaHA

tags: Debate   Dinesh   ethics   Morals   Problem of Pain   Singer   Theology   Utilitarian   William Craig   Worldviews  

Where Do the Candidates Stand on Life?

Posted on February 15, 2008 by David Mendez.
Categories: Ethics, Politics, Worldviews, Dangerous Ideas, Religion, Philosophy.

Candidates Positions

tags: Abortion   candidates   ethics   hilary   huckabee   mccain   moral   Obama   political positions   right to life  

News from the Field: Meekness and Truth

Posted on January 29, 2008 by David Mendez.
Categories: Evangelism, Conferences, Worldviews, Religion, Apologetics, Theology.

 Dave and RZIM staff

Exciting things happening over at Meekness and Truth Ministries:

Dear Friends of M&T,

Thanks so much for your prayers for me while I was in India this last week. I know they made a big difference! Monday through Wednesday I taught at Ravi Zacharias Academy in Chennai (Madras) on the our C.E.
material as well as the topics: Truth, Postmodernism, Spiritual Growth, and also The Centrality of the Word of God.
On Friday night I was in the city of Hyderabad speaking to about 75 plus key lay leaders comprising of doctors, lawyers, and business people. Many shared that they were encouraged to be more proactive in their witness and have asked us to come back to do further training for the churches in that city. On Sunday I was back in Chennai and had the privilege to preach at Emmanuel Methodist Church to about 1000 people and three people indicated they trusted Christ and many made commitments to rededicate themselves to be a more effective witness.

You may also be encouraged to hear that RZIM in India is interested in forming a partnership with us and have asked us to train all their RZIM facilitators in India in our C.E. material so they can teach it wherever they go! Needless to say I was encouraged by all the fruit that came out of our trip.

Please continue to pray for our partnership with RZIM in India (we go back in March) and the important work in equipping Christians in India. This is a very strategic time for India (population 1.2 billion). Many of the youth have not totally accepted their parents'
Hinduism and with all the changes coming from the West along with a hunger for materialism, many youth are also searching for deeper answers. This is the time to really make an impact for Christ!

I was also reminded of the need for greater training when I learned that some of the Muslim Apologists in India are going from church to church and challenging the pastors and leaders in their beliefs, many who are not adequately equipped to answer some of the questions and issues that are being raised in a way to help their flock.

I've also included a few pictures of our trip. Please keep these Christians in your prayers.
Thanks for all your prayers and support for the ministry of M&T in Asia.

In Him,

Dave Geisler

tags: Apologetics   Dr. Dave Geisler   Evangelism   India   Meekness and Truth   Ravi Zacharias   RZIM   Worldviews  

Christianity Today Q&A: Barack Obama

Posted on January 23, 2008 by David Mendez.
Categories: Worldviews, Politics, Islam, Things of Interest, Religion, Theology.

In this piece Obama clarifies his beliefs as well as some clarification as to whether he was a muslim or not. It seems that religion and immigration will be the deciding factors in this election. The Q & A was conducted by Christianity Today and it is found here: Q&A: Barack Obama

Here is a quote:

 Evangelicals have come to believe often times that Democrats are anti-faith. Part of my job in this campaign, something that I started doing well before this campaign, was to make sure I was showing up and reaching out and sharing my faith experience with people who share that faith.

tags: Church   Democrats   faith   Islam   Muslim   Obama   Politics   State  

1 comment.

Mitt Romney’s Speech & Mormonism

Posted on December 7, 2007 by Ray Ciervo.
Categories: General, Politics, Worldviews, Cults Watch, Religion, Things of Interest, Apologetics.

The confusion of our faith and politics affords us continuous errors. After listening to Mitt Romney’s speech, some people are impressed. He compared himself with JFK and his speech when he ran for president. JFK made the point that he was not a “Catholic running for president. He was an American running for president who happened to be a Catholic. Romney followed suit. He claimed he is not a Mormon running for president, but an American who happened to be a Mormon. His major appeal was to the Christian right. Although Romney didn’t say anything controversial, he did obscure some very important facts about his Mormon beliefs. I don’t believe he was trying to be deceptive, but he used terms that would “acceptable” to Christian listeners. He referred to the “founding fathers” which is an acceptable buzz word for Christians. He definitely got in line with the Christina arguments for a moral society. But, there were some tricky points in his speech which may go unobserved or uninterpreted.

First, let’s lay things out in a more apparent way. Mormonism began as a cult and has grown into a “folk-religion.” It may well be that Mormonism is America’s folk-religion. When Joseph Smith received his “revelation” it was to announce that the church had altered the Scriptures, had left the religion of the apostles and prophets and that he was chosen to restore it. He was the undisputed leader of the new cult that broke away from traditional Christianity. Smith was an authoritarian leader that banded together his followers who sought a place to carry out their new revelation. Mormonism refined its beliefs through the years, at least the ones that were clearly offensive, like bigamy.

Some Christians were impressed that Romney declared that he believed Jesus to be the Son of God and the savior of mankind. This is very Christian-like. However, Mormons have said that for a while. Jehovah witnesses will say similar statements. What Mormons will not say is that Jesus Christ is God’s unique Son. Nor will they say He is God, the Son. Mormons have always asserted that Jesus is the Savior of Mankind, but they do not believe that he died for you personally. His redemption is kind of a corporate redemption that is only available to those who walk the Mormon path. They also believe that Jesus was pre-existent as a “spirit baby” and the brother of Lucifer. We don’t have space to go into the “special under garments” nor the need to get married in the Mormon temple in Salt Lake City. Mormons do have some different beliefs than orthodox Christians.

It’s amazing what some Christians will accept. To many the statements Romney made sounded authentic. But, this is where the confusion lay. Because someone is a Mormon doesn’t make him a bad candidate for president. Nor, should it be the test whether he will be a good president. Mormons are moral, for the most part. However, I can’t categorically say that any Christian candidate will be moral either. If morality is the issue, we ought to make that the issue. There was a muddying of the waters in Romney’s speech that may pave the way for him to become the Republican candidate. The problem will be if he’s accepted because of his allusion to Christian beliefs.

Romney’s hurdle is to garner support from the Christian voters – he’s looking for the conservative right’s Christian voting block. Pundits like Pat Buchanan have given Romney’s speech high marks. But Pat Buchanan is the poster child for Libertarian Christianity, not exactly the center of the stream. Buchanan aside, the other apologists have not have not sounded off. They’ll be others who criticize what he said, more than I have.

Here’s what Romney did in his speech. He alluded to a pseudo-Christian faith in his statements about Jesus. He then picked up the argument of fighting the secular left. This was a smart move, very smart. The knee-jerk Christians, whose faith has been politicized, will rally right behind him. Not a bad political move, not at all.

Here’s the downside of it for Christianity: Romney becomes president and people look at Mormonism in a new light. Mormons can’t be that bad, look at Mitt. Romney will secure Mormonism as America’s folk-religion. Mormonism is spiritual enough to satisfy many.

I know people will misunderstand my next statement. However, I’ll try to make this as clear as I can. I don’t have a problem with Romney running for president. Nor do I have a problem with him becoming president. But please, leave my Christianity alone. It’s muddy enough with all the press it gets. It’s muddy enough with the politicized mumbo jumbo of pundits who don’t understand the Scripture and use it for their own political prowess.

Aside from my own consternation about my faith, this ought to be interesting to watch as it plays out. Romney’s ploy to talk about his faith will prompt a response from Mike Huckabee.  This ought to make things interesting, really interesting in the coming months.

tags: Christianity   Joseph Smith   Mitt Romney   Mormonism   presidency   Pseudo Christian faith  

1 comment.

NO PAT ANSWERS:MOVING TOWARD A MORE ENGAGING EVANGELISM|By Ray Ciervo

Posted on November 8, 2007 by Ray Ciervo.
Categories: Evangelism, Ethics, Worldviews, Cults Watch, Religion, Culture Watch, Apologetics.

A young man recently wrote to Billy Graham, who authors a column in the Charlotte Observer here in North Carolina. The young man was questioning a friend’s faith: “Every time I ask her why she believes what she does, her reply is, ‘Because it’s in the Bible.’” The young man acknowledged his skepticism concerning the Bible’s authority and in frustration asked Graham why he should believe. What his friend was doing was serving up a “pat” answer.

The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition, defines a “pat answer” as one that is trite or glib, superficially complete or satisfactory. “Pat answers” assume everyone understands what the underlying meaning really is. The problem is that the real meaning goes unobserved behind what is actually said.

Pat answers have had a very serious effect on Christianity. When Christianity was the dominant religion in America and when it had some influence in society and culture, it presumed everyone knew what it was all about. From a position of authority it responded with pat answers. Christians presumed everyone else knew the substance. Unfortunately, this has served to help undermine that position of authority and influence.

As we know today, Christianity is marginalized in American culture. It does not seem to have much authority and is looked upon critically as having no significant importance. What has happened?

Part of what has happened is that the Church has been asleep at the wheel. There were some who were warning of the impending storm, but most of the Church stayed asleep. We are kind of like the frog in the kettle. The illustration tells us that if you try to put a frog in boiling water he will jump out. However if you put him in cold water and slowly heat up the kettle, then you can boil him.

The world has changed on us much the same way. The changes have been slow over a long time. Few people realize how long ago it began….

The young man was questioning a friend’s faith: “Every time I ask her why she believes what she does, her reply is, ‘Because it’s in the Bible.’”

A QUICK HISTORY
The Mayflower Compact declared that the first Pilgrims intended to share their Christian faith as they settled in their new land. The founding fathers depended on God to guide them through the process of independence and the establishment of this nation. The government even sponsored evangelism among Native Americans.

It appeared this would be a nation which would have its roots in God’s Word and depend on His guidance. The influence of the first and second “great awakenings” had significant impact on the young nation. It appeared this would be a nation which would have its roots in God’s Word and depend on His guidance. Granted, some of the founding fathers were not perfect, but in most cases, they were God-fearing men. However, this was short lived.

In 1859, Charles Darwin introduced his Origin of the Species. This book had a profound affect on the scientific and religious community. Yet, that book did not discard religion or God as Creator of man. It wasn’t until 1871 that his Descent of Man, proclaimed that man evolved from apes. In 1925, the Scopes Trail, totally misrepresented by the play and movie, Inherit the Wind, made headlines over whether it was unlawful to teach evolution in public schools. The Christians won the case, though you would never know it. In 1933, the Humanist Manifesto was written declaring, “We need no God and no savior. We can save ourselves.” One of the signers of the manifesto was John Dewey.

John Dewey had a strategy to rid the public school system of anything that related to God and religion. His strategy called for training a generation of humanists who would teach American children. In the early sixties, school prayer and Bible studies were banned from public schools. It took Dewey’s strategy only 30 years to succeed.

THE NEW DOGMA
Today, few people realize what is being taught in schools and what will soon become common fare. Take for example just one professor who has had a devastating effect on education: Peter Singer. Professor Singer, chairperson for the Center of Human Values at Princeton University is an avowed secular humanist who teaches ethics at the university to future world leaders. However, his “ethics” consist of the ends justifying the means; he is a consequentialist, a utilitarian. Singer seemingly believes and teaches that abortion on demand should be commonplace. He also seeks to promote physician assisted suicide, and euthanasia. Some consider Singer a monster. To his credit, he has assisted famine victims and helped alleviate poverty in some instances. However, he is an atheist who holds to an evolutionary world view.

Educators of Singer’s ilk believe that in some cases, paraplegics, quadriplegics, the blind, and others who suffer and have no hope of a cure should be terminated. Babies born with deformities should be terminated under this chilling worldview. Ironically, Peter Singer is considered one of the brightest minds in academia today.

What is taught at the university level will soon become what is taught at the lower levels. It will filter down through the system until it becomes law. The effects of other legal decisions and advances of atheism have reached all of us today. As Christians, we have lost significant ground in every quarter.

THAT WON’T CUT IT
When we try to use pat answers today we realize they fall on deaf ears, even perplexed minds. “How could you believe something like that?” comes the reply. Pat answers don’t cut it anymore. In one sense, they never did.

But here is some good news…we live in a day of great opportunities for evangelism. You see, Christians are not the only ones guilty of giving pat answers…this is now the world’s mode of operation and communication. Advertising agencies, businesses, governments, and even educators are spouting trite, glib responses to the questions or circumstances surrounding all of us. “Just do it” and “No boundaries” are some of the cliches the Madison Avenue crew has picked up on. “Whatever” is the consummate pat answer today. It is the glib, trite expression that says, “Who cares?”

Here are some others: “That may be true for you,” “You can’t legislate morality,” and “All religions lead to God.” These are all trite, glib, self-refuting, pat answers. We must recognize the nature of the statements and bring them into the light of analysis. Each of these statements contain fallacies which betray the person who uses them.

Today, you have an opportunity to share your beliefs and ask probing questions of others. Of course, you must first understand what it is that you believe. Could you, for example, explain or even state your church’s statement of faith? Do you know what the essentials of evangelical Christianity are? Could you give a somewhat clear description of the Trinity, in terms that would not freak out the average listener?

When you talk about Jesus, to which “Jesus” do you refer? The Mormons have a Jesus. The Jehovah Witnesses have a Jesus. B’hai, New Age, and even the Hindus believe in a Jesus. Just which Jesus are we speaking about?

You cannot give pat answers and should learn how to recognize when someone else is trying to “put one across” on you. This is not a time for Christians to abandon sound doctrine and embrace a lightweight Christianity. This is the time for in-depth understanding of the basics of the faith and a time to engage people in Gospel conversation. This is time for the Church to rise up and meet the challenges it faces.

tags: Evangelism   history   Mayflower   Pat Answer  

1 comment.

Prosperity Secret!!! Please Click on the Mp3 and Listen on How YOU can Prosper!!!

The astute and discerning folks over at Apologetics.com have made this available through their site. It is a great analysis of the Propserity/Positve/Osteenish type ideas that are floating around as "gospel." This is especially relevant after the the Joel Osteen interview with Larry King (transcript found here).

 

Enjoy!

No Tag